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	<xgz__>	zo this is still about gordon pask and then we start
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	<regimenckurva>	r:pask gordon
	<regimenckurva>	w:Gordon_pask
	<regimenckurva>	puebli: do you receive the stream ?
	<regimenckurva>	access_file warning: qt.okno.be:8000/B22F.sdp: No such file or directory
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	<regimenckurva>	puebli: do u get the stream?
	<pueblo>	hi sorry, I had a crash
	<pueblo>	mm one sec
	<kubiky>	videos coming
	<pueblo>	ok
	<kubiky>	if stream doesnt work theyre also here http://societyofalgorithm.org/B22F/02/index.html
	<kubiky>	nulla to ten
	<kubiky>	is stream on?
	<regimenckurva>	kubiky: i dont get it
	<pueblo>	rtsp://qt.okno.be:8000/B22F.sdp
	<pueblo>	i dont  see it
	<regimenckurva>	me also
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	<pueblo>	very unstable connection here today friends
	<xgz__>	now we are watching the first movie with vesna commenting on the exhibition in 'public space with a roof" 
	<regimenckurva>	xgz__: the stream is not up 
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	<xgz__>	thanks now it si? 
	<pueblo>	oh public space with a roof was a nice space, i went to a code and psychogeography meeting there
	<pueblo>	now I see it
	<gndd>	xgz__: hmm yes it works .. vlc cant recognize rtsp // (?) 
	<pueblo>	this is quicktime anyway
	<gndd>	works for me only when i click the link with .mov
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	<pueblo>	can you turn up the volume a little bit?
	<xgz__>	oops it is at loudest otherwise it starts to whistle
	<pueblo>	ok
	<pueblo>	nice picture
	<xgz__>	but people can watch the movies via the links at home
	<pueblo>	yes
	<pueblo>	W:poetics
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	<xname>	hello
	<kubiky>	10 ppl here, 4 computers on
	<pueblo>	ey xname!
	<xname>	:*
	<pueblo>	muac!
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	<pueblo>	hi isjtar
	<isjtar>	hi alejandra 
	<xgz__>	it is you now on the chair
	<pueblo>	:)
	<isjtar>	i know : )
	<isjtar>	don't understand myself though
	<pueblo>	jiji
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	<xgz__>	that is you no?
	<pueblo>	no
	<pueblo>	there are some ghosts today in the channel
	<pueblo>	wikinibot is one too
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	<pueblo>	alright
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	<pueblo>	w:poetics
	<wikinibot>	'Poetics' refers generally to the theory of literary discourse and specifically
	<wikinibot>	to the theory of poetry, although some speakers use the term so broadly as to
	<wikinibot>	denote the concept of "theory" itself.<ref>Brogan, T.V.F. in Brogan, T.V.F., Ed.
	<pueblo>	w:help
	<wikinibot>	wikinibot :: help
	<wikinibot>	w:<word> or w:(<word1> <word2> ...)     : gets a short definition of a concept
	<wikinibot>	W:<word> or W:(<word1> <word2> ...)     : gets a long definition of a concept
	<wikinibot>	p:<word> or p:(<word1> <word2> ...)     : gets a long definition in a private window
	<wikinibot>	r:<word> or r:(<word1> <word2> ...)     : gets related concepts
	<wikinibot>	l:de|fr|es|ca|ja...                     : change the working language
	<wikinibot>	w:help                                  : this help
	<isjtar>	ah it's aki in his usual shape : )
	<isjtar>	w:shape
	<wikinibot>	In geometry, two sets have the same 'shape' if one can be transformed to another
	<wikinibot>	by a combination of translations, rotations and uniform scalings. In other
	<wikinibot>	words, the shape of a set is all the geometrical information that is invariant
	<wikinibot>	to location, scale and rotation. Shapes of physical objects are equal if the
	<wikinibot>	subsets of space these objects occupy satisfy the definition above. In
	<wikinibot>	particular, the shape does not depend on the size of the object.
	<xgz__>	now akihiro kubota
	<pueblo>	nice disruptive noise video
	<isjtar>	very nice
	<pueblo>	w:noise
	<wikinibot>	noise  :: disambiguate : 
	<wikinibot>	sound | noise pollution | electronics | snow | television | video | data | meaning | Signaling (telecommunication) | Information Theory | information | thermal noise | Broadcasting | audio engineering | noise (electronic) | A-weighting | ITU-R 468 noise weighting | test signal | spectral power density | spectral density | audio testing | octave | Noise (electronic) | Johnson Noise | flicker noise | generation-recombination noise | electronic circuit | ra
	<xgz__>	now babuta in the car _ driving from a to b
	<pueblo>	oh clouds!
	<xgz__>	you can ask her questions she is here
	<isjtar>	audio is bad, can you give a gist in text?
	<isjtar>	please?
	<isjtar>	otherwise, turn up the microfone if you can.
	<kubiky>	she says she just made it in a car spontaneously talking about track she's about to make
	<pueblo>	:)
	<kubiky>	she doesnt know whether she'll make she'll see
	<kubiky>	spontaneous approach
	<xgz__>	sofia burstorff a sound artist
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	<pueblo>	ola pikseli
	<pikseli>	hi
	<isjtar>	ni hao
	<xgz__>	xname now
	<xgz__>	so what is poetica nowadays? something to watch or to participate in or to market
	<kubiky>	be online
	<pueblo>	it depends I think if you are too focused in the making you tend to go towards the market
	<pueblo>	w:poiesis
	<wikinibot>	'Poesis' means "to make" in ancient Greek. (creation, from
	<wikinibot>	[[wikt:|]], to make) This word, the root of our modern
	<wikinibot>	"poetry", was first a verb, an action that transforms and continues the world.
	<xname>	hi 
	<isjtar>	hi
	<xgz__>	yes exactly how to deal with ideas about making things....
	<gndd>	xgz__: what do you mean ?
	<pikseli>	how to deal with them practically?
	<isjtar>	i'm confused between poetica aesthetics algorithm methodology
	<isjtar>	i just do what i do
	<isjtar>	it's all that at the same time
	<xgz__>	yees the question remains _ implicit or who needs to be explicit about it? does it disturb? 
	<pueblo>	better work in groups  I think
	<pikseli>	...or from the theoretical point of view... like "if contemporary art shows a lack of personal stylistic attributes?"
	<isjtar>	explicit
	<isjtar>	a new one evry time
	<xgz__>	for some it is too fast and too much absorbing to create too so solo work is not always bad?
	<kubiky>	 poetica aesthetics algorithm methodology = how to deal with what was done
	<xgz__>	adriana sa
	<isjtar>	soloworks helps aking better group work
	<pikseli>	ok, but how to deal with it as an artist is different from just summarising as a theorist...
	<isjtar>	always in groups is confusing
	<kubiky>	doenst matter
	<kubiky>	art in theory, theory in art
	<isjtar>	what doesn't matter?
	<isjtar>	theory?
	<pueblo>	I prefer to forget solo work
	<pueblo>	it becomes so consumable
	<isjtar>	definately
	<isjtar>	that's the bad side of it
	<xgz__>	put you are a person who thinks and contributes that way in a group no?
	<pikseli>	for an artist, the other poetics can be an inspiration, for instance...
	<kubiky>	doesnt matter if artist or theorist
	<pikseli>	this is one way of dealing with it
	<pueblo>	thats why I say groups but im not talking of art Im talking of practice
	<pueblo>	art is so narrowing
	<pueblo>	true is one way
	<xgz__>	so how to get out of it? 
	<pueblo>	not sure, collective work is gving me ideas now
	<xgz__>	by chopping unions
	<pueblo>	yea unions, like the seewing workshop in miles, a squat in barcelona
	<xgz__>	so now about cutting unions again hihi
	<xgz__>	better than art?
	<pueblo>	we fix our clothes together and speak about media or other actions
	<kubiky>	better than onions
	<pueblo>	haha
	<xgz__>	can you cry while you do it too?
	<pikseli>	you have to!
	<kubiky>	koan approach
	<isjtar>	w:koan
	<wikinibot>	A 'kan' (; Japanese: kan, Chinese: gng-n) is a story, dialogue,
	<wikinibot>	question, or statement in the history and lore of Chan (Zen) Buddhism, generally
	<wikinibot>	containing aspects that are inaccessible to rational understanding, yet that may
	<wikinibot>	be accessible to intuition. A famous koan is, "Two hands clap and there is a
	<xgz__>	is it art? 
	<wikinibot>	sound; what is the sound of one hand?" (oral tradition, attributed to Hakuin
	<wikinibot>	Ekaku, 1686-1769, considered a reviver of the koan tradition in Japan).
	<gndd>	she does it bad!
	<xgz__>	is it poetics? 
	<xgz__>	is it life?
	<gndd>	it is not a potato!
	<isjtar>	what's she saying?
	<xgz__>	is it what ...
	<pikseli>	that is her poetics!
	<pueblo>	practice
	<kubiky>	mlada gazdinka
	<kubiky>	was said
	<pikseli>	ok. but this is not an invetion of barbara...
	<gndd>	pikseli: but there too much trash
	<gndd>	(there is)
	<kubiky>	a break here
	<pikseli>	looots of beeer
	<kubiky>	gnd is preparing for a/v cooking
	<kubiky>	gndd
	<xgz__>	beer and screens and sound needed
	<isjtar>	it's al
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	<isjtar>	practice ; )
	<isjtar>	nnemie
	<pueblo>	ey emptywords
	<isjtar>	hi annemie bedoel ik
	<xgz__>	hey we are having a pee break and then the ground performance
	<pueblo>	ok
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	<isjtar>	w:generative recombined noise
	<wikinibot>	#redirect Generative linguistics
	<pueblo>	hihi 
	<pueblo>	w:(generative recombined noise)
	<wikinibot>	:: nada :: res de res :: 
	<pueblo>	is not in wikipedia
	<isjtar>	yuk, chomsky
	<isjtar>	and i thought it would sound nice
	<pueblo>	this  are free libre bots btw http://ydegoyon.free.fr/bots.html
	<gndd>	you like the image?
	<isjtar>	i was about to ask for the bot : )
	<isjtar>	image is ok, sound is another story
	<isjtar>	ah silence
	<xgz__>	now gnd playing
	<kubiky>	sssss
	<gndd>	working
	<xgz__>	watch out
	<gndd>	buhaha
	<xgz__>	hihi
	<kubiky>	patching in pd realtime
	<kubiky>	from empty canvas
	<xgz__>	yippeee
	<xgz__>	is instant coding poetics included?
	<xgz__>	in action I mean
	<xgz__>	plan and output as close as possible?
	<xgz__>	(everyone was peeing that moment...) 
	<xgz__>	do things have to go somewhere to? (nonteleological things are better, or laissez-faire cage approach?)
	<kubiky>	crash but not sure
	<riskz>	W:gazdinka
	<kubiky>	= housewife
	<kubiky>	.sk
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	<kubiky>	guy announced end
	<puebli>	uy I fell down
	<kubiky>	but goes on of course
	<isjtar>	randomly chatting about random
	<kubiky>	how is audio now?
	<kubiky>	stream
	<isjtar>	better
	<kubiky>	recognize speech?
	<isjtar>	just barely
	<isjtar>	only guy really
	<puebli>	mm si
	<kubiky>	yea we need to learn to shout
	<isjtar>	i like the darkness
	<isjtar>	beats blue
	<puebli>	or get a couple of extra mics
	<kubiky>	yes
	<kubiky>	)
	<isjtar>	next time definately
	<puebli>	;)
	<isjtar>	also have audio from computer direct to stream
	<isjtar>	much much better : )
	<puebli>	yes
	<puebli>	can anybody save this chat? I lost everything when my network fell down
	<kubiky>	i will
	<isjtar>	ah isjtar over and out, was a bit blurred both stream and my head
	<puebli>	ok
	<isjtar>	thanks and see you next time
	<puebli>	see you isjtar
	<kubiky>	next one is about disappearing algorithms cu
	<isjtar>	ok bye xx
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	<xgz__>	so bye boyi buya and till next time hihi
	<xgz__>	thanks everyone ...
	<xgz__>	dada papa dudu
	<puebli>	tralala
	<puebli>	thanks and see u
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	<gndd>	bu
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